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	<title>Comments on: Notre Dame Cathedral b, Kandinsky 3b</title>
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		<title>By: Jim Andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Alan.

I haven&#039;t printed any of them, actually, haven&#039;t made a dime on the project, and have had no shows of dbCinema. 

I&#039;ve been developing the app, the art, and the site for the app and the art, though. 

Currently the app itself is quite advanced, there&#039;s a shockwave version and a desktop version of dbCinema itself (which is much more featureful than the Shockwave version), 24 art series of images developed with dbCinema, a pretty good Javascript slideshow app (which I&#039;m still writing) for those images, lots of video tutorials on how to use the desktop version, and a bit of writing about the project.

I&#039;m hoping to get the dbCinema app itself to the stage this year where I can sell copies of that software package online. 

And I can certainly see quite an extensive gallery show on dbCinema. There are those 24 image series that could be shown on different monitors. And pieces like London Hypotrochoid, which is nicely interactive. And the dbCinema app itself...

It&#039;s quite a big project. And it&#039;s what I&#039;ve been doing full time. So it&#039;s kind of a do or die thing for me. 

The art part is coming along like gangbusters. I hope I can make the rest of it happen.

Thanks for your interest, Alan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Alan.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t printed any of them, actually, haven&#8217;t made a dime on the project, and have had no shows of dbCinema. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been developing the app, the art, and the site for the app and the art, though. </p>
<p>Currently the app itself is quite advanced, there&#8217;s a shockwave version and a desktop version of dbCinema itself (which is much more featureful than the Shockwave version), 24 art series of images developed with dbCinema, a pretty good Javascript slideshow app (which I&#8217;m still writing) for those images, lots of video tutorials on how to use the desktop version, and a bit of writing about the project.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping to get the dbCinema app itself to the stage this year where I can sell copies of that software package online. </p>
<p>And I can certainly see quite an extensive gallery show on dbCinema. There are those 24 image series that could be shown on different monitors. And pieces like London Hypotrochoid, which is nicely interactive. And the dbCinema app itself&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite a big project. And it&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve been doing full time. So it&#8217;s kind of a do or die thing for me. </p>
<p>The art part is coming along like gangbusters. I hope I can make the rest of it happen.</p>
<p>Thanks for your interest, Alan.</p>
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		<title>By: alan bigelow</title>
		<link>http://www.netpoetic.com/2010/01/notre-dame-cathedral-b-kandinsky-3b/comment-page-1/#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>alan bigelow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 01:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim--

I sincerely hope that you are printing out these images (48&quot; X ??, and framed) and showing them for sale in solo shows at galleries. With their beautiful imagery, and extremely cool back-story, they would be winners, at least, that&#039;s my guess.

Am I wrong on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim&#8211;</p>
<p>I sincerely hope that you are printing out these images (48&#8243; X ??, and framed) and showing them for sale in solo shows at galleries. With their beautiful imagery, and extremely cool back-story, they would be winners, at least, that&#8217;s my guess.</p>
<p>Am I wrong on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Andrews</title>
		<link>http://www.netpoetic.com/2010/01/notre-dame-cathedral-b-kandinsky-3b/comment-page-1/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 05:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the spatial depth isn&#039;t so much a matter of the fading as the shading in the individual images, Davin. But the shading also is a matter of opacity. In dbCinema, a &#039;brush&#039; is usually a mask (in the Photoshop sense): it&#039;s a grayscale image that lets other images show through the mask, and the grayscale of the mask establishes alpha levels, or levels of opacity, in the images seen through the mask. It turns out that when a dbCinema brush has, at different points along the brush, different opacity levels, what it &#039;paints&#039;, as the brush moves along the screen, can appear to be textured and spatialized.

Also, the Kandinsky images were the first ones I made in dbCinema using the &#039;Flash brush&#039; feature. Whereby one may import any Flash SWF and use it as a brush. The SWF, each frame, is turned into a grayscale bitmap image and used as a mask for the Kandinsky images. The nice thing about SWF is that, unlike the other dbCinema brushes (which also are vector images), they can change shape from frame to frame, and this also helps create texture and spatialization as the brush moves across the screen.

The fading provides continuous transition. The individual images are screenshots taken at various time intervals--they are already linked in a progression; the fading highlights and summarizes that progression.

I think fade in/out, even if the images weren&#039;t involved in a real transformation or progression, suggests transformation. For instance, if we see pictures of a person fade in/out, the suggestion is there of transformation of the person between successive photos. More than it would be if there was no animated transition between the photos. That is part of the &#039;meaning&#039; of animated transitions between stills. For there is more emphasis on &#039;becoming&#039; rather than simply on &#039;being&#039;.

Thanks for checking them out, Davin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the spatial depth isn&#8217;t so much a matter of the fading as the shading in the individual images, Davin. But the shading also is a matter of opacity. In dbCinema, a &#8216;brush&#8217; is usually a mask (in the Photoshop sense): it&#8217;s a grayscale image that lets other images show through the mask, and the grayscale of the mask establishes alpha levels, or levels of opacity, in the images seen through the mask. It turns out that when a dbCinema brush has, at different points along the brush, different opacity levels, what it &#8216;paints&#8217;, as the brush moves along the screen, can appear to be textured and spatialized.</p>
<p>Also, the Kandinsky images were the first ones I made in dbCinema using the &#8216;Flash brush&#8217; feature. Whereby one may import any Flash SWF and use it as a brush. The SWF, each frame, is turned into a grayscale bitmap image and used as a mask for the Kandinsky images. The nice thing about SWF is that, unlike the other dbCinema brushes (which also are vector images), they can change shape from frame to frame, and this also helps create texture and spatialization as the brush moves across the screen.</p>
<p>The fading provides continuous transition. The individual images are screenshots taken at various time intervals&#8211;they are already linked in a progression; the fading highlights and summarizes that progression.</p>
<p>I think fade in/out, even if the images weren&#8217;t involved in a real transformation or progression, suggests transformation. For instance, if we see pictures of a person fade in/out, the suggestion is there of transformation of the person between successive photos. More than it would be if there was no animated transition between the photos. That is part of the &#8216;meaning&#8217; of animated transitions between stills. For there is more emphasis on &#8216;becoming&#8217; rather than simply on &#8216;being&#8217;.</p>
<p>Thanks for checking them out, Davin.</p>
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		<title>By: Davin Heckman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davin Heckman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is beautiful.  I hate to linger on a particular aspect....  but the fade in/out with these particular images works so well.  That transition really adds depth to the works....  which is interesting because my first impulse is to think of depth strictly in spatial terms.  Yet, if I were to approach these images, say, in the space of a gallery...  I would need time to experience the depth.

I imagine most people working with web art at some point or another have to deal with depth on the flat screen.  And, usually, I find attempts at depth to be something that requires a &quot;willing suspensions of disbelief&quot; on my part.  Or, the work has an exaggerated sense of movement into the piece.  

But I am very impressed with this experience you&#039;ve given me on a Friday afternoon, after my students have gone home, and I, myself, was planning to leave.  AND, not to sound hoity-toity, but you do no injustice to Kandinsky&#039;s work (which is always a risk when working with a well-conceived, well-executed, and well-loved body of work).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is beautiful.  I hate to linger on a particular aspect&#8230;.  but the fade in/out with these particular images works so well.  That transition really adds depth to the works&#8230;.  which is interesting because my first impulse is to think of depth strictly in spatial terms.  Yet, if I were to approach these images, say, in the space of a gallery&#8230;  I would need time to experience the depth.</p>
<p>I imagine most people working with web art at some point or another have to deal with depth on the flat screen.  And, usually, I find attempts at depth to be something that requires a &#8220;willing suspensions of disbelief&#8221; on my part.  Or, the work has an exaggerated sense of movement into the piece.  </p>
<p>But I am very impressed with this experience you&#8217;ve given me on a Friday afternoon, after my students have gone home, and I, myself, was planning to leave.  AND, not to sound hoity-toity, but you do no injustice to Kandinsky&#8217;s work (which is always a risk when working with a well-conceived, well-executed, and well-loved body of work).</p>
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